we had gone through the debt ceiling. and that the united states budget situation was not the clear and present danger that it had been in the past. >> the neville chamberlain moment, right? >> you could be right about that. you could be right. i'm just saying -- >> half full or half empty at least we agree on exactly the level, right? and half if not at all. >> i like the idea that we can now turn from emergency measures to questions of how we create growth. there were a lot of good discussion about that and it would be nice -- >> talk to ben about that. he's obviously not aware that we're not in crisis anymore. >> i know we've got to go. but it would be nice to begin our conversation from here on out. how do we make growth instead of how do we put our fires? that's a different conversation. >> you'll never learn that at davos. >> you want to have one of those arguments, rick or just -- we're much more civil than those guys, right? >> hey, civility. the highlight of monday. >> and friday. >> thanks, guys. >> all he needs